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2023-06-15
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I: Okay, now we move to another picture, I have a picture registered with the number 2018_18384, look at it, can you recognize what is that?
R: These are clothings of the headmen, it is like the headmen we currently call them councilors or the ministers, but nowadays if you see these clothing’s they are for the honoured people…
I: What was the name of such clothes at that time?
R: At that time, they used to call it ‘vikoi’, I mean after wearing the kanzu you put on the ‘kikoi’, the kikoi was not worn by just a simple person, those who wore it were people who were famous like 'Jumbe Salimu, Jumbe Kika, Jumbe Joho.
I: What community were the ‘Jumbe’?
R: Mostly were the Kilindi, others were just ‘wadoe’, but the Kilindi were the ones finishing cases, if he tells you that you are going to be imprisoned, you will be imprisoned, hence they were the ones wearing those clothes, and if you saw Jumbe Joho visiting in your village, you prepare a goat and slaughter it meaning that there are things you are keeping them right.
I: Where were they getting these clothes?
R: Actually about these clothes there were the DC or PC, I mean there were people who were in the government sector, they knew if they come they will meet Joho and they will give them the cloth, though I don’t know where they got them, but it was either they bought it there and came with it, they brought it to a famous person in the village, you can see upto this moment there are headmen like ‘Jumbe Salimu’ and others like ‘Jumbe Mdoe’, the white people pushed us and that is why we don't have lands, so after he wore it they will say we are planting tea and we accepted, then we were paid some amount and left the farms... .
I: Did they have the authority to their local people?
R: Yes, especially if he is a kilindi, if he puts on this dress, it is not a secret if he tells you this woman is a ‘mamurugu’, he takes her, you can even ask Mr. Chei, he tells you she is a ‘mamurugu’ which means your wife is no longer yours, he takes her after he wore that dress,
I: [Laughing]
R: It is not a secret, that after he wore that dress know that he is honourable, and when he enters your house, you won’t direct look at him, and if he tells you that your wife is a ‘mamurugu’, for sure he will take her, that is why you'll find many communities this moment we have... I don't know what, even Mr. Chei knows about this dress and he knows what their fathers did, that is why at Mr. Chei’s home you will be surprised to see many women who were brought there but they were peoples wives, that's why you find there are many different communities, some are white and some are black, hence they were the Jumbe who wore these clothes.
I: What period were they wearing those clothes?
R: It was especially in the days when there were cases, celebrating days or a day when they go to perform a ritual or in a certain meeting but not for the village, in a meeting probably children wants to be circumcised or undergo initiation, so they put on this dress and they were seated on the royal chairs and made decisions and something like that, so I remember these clothes very well of Mr. Jumbe Joho, or if one of them was dead when inheriting he was putting on his kanzu and holding his walking stick, he was having his walking stick, a kanzu and the scarf, so when he came there he was carrying his gun… but not these modern guns, there were these muzzle loading guns, the home made guns, when he shot it automatically make you know he is inheriting the wife, he was ready to inherit even six wives when there fellows died, but nowadays people don’t like inheriting due to diseases, for sure it is not a secret, these clothes reminds me further that they were worn by the headsmen.
I: At what age did the Jumbe start ruling, and was it a female or a male?
R: He was mainly a male.
I: From what age?
R: When a person reaches 40 or 30 years, when he gets married it’s over, and marriage was not done like today, if you wanted to marry you were directed to go and marry Mohamedi’s daughter, it is not like this current time you meet in streets, you were directed at that home the father and mother are good mannered and it is the better group.
I: Okay fine, are those such vikoi currently in use
R: Oh! This time they will laugh at you.
All: [Laughing]
I: Why do you think they will laugh at you at this time when you put on the kikoi.
R: Those are ancient things, you can even see our trousers now, even we old people are also trying to wear modern clothes, I don't know why it is like that but we go with time, in fact they were respectable clothes but people don't like them, they tell you that you are out of date, during that time when you wear that cloth, uh! even the women knew Jumbe is on his way and probably he can fall in love with me, and past people use to love white women, I don't know why, but when you married a white woman, mind you that she will be taken by Jumbe.
All: [Laughing]
R: This is not a secret, and that is why many kilindi people…. you should not marry a white wife the kilindi will obviously take her, the Jumbe who wear this cloth will take her, and I don't know why it was like that.
I: How important was that dress to them?
R: It was not that important but it was something to make you know this is a certain person, it is like the football players introducing he is from which team, if he visited in a village you must welcome him and well direct him, probably he is going to jumbe Salim or jumbe Kika or whoever, he would ask of a certain Jumbe and we directed him, and his walking was very slowly because of the clothing…
All: [Laughing]
I: Let me ask, the Jumbe is married at the age of 40 years old, but in that community, there are people with ages of 60s, 70s and 80s, if he wore that dress, does it mean even the older people were respecting him?
R: They stood up, they must stand up, if you were not a Kilindi by nature or the nature of putting on this dressing, you would be beaten to death and people will never see your grave, you must respect him even if you were 50, 60 or 70 years old, it was like a royal thing, I still remember these clothes very much, others inherited them but later I don't know where they took them, I remember here at our home there was a man, the father of Mkande, he will tell you about this dress, when it was IDD celebration after the 30 days of fasting, he was wearing on this cloth with a scarf and holding his walking stick and then dancing, that was like laziness...
I: You said there was a kanzu, the walking stick, scarf and a kikoi, what else were they wearing with this clothing?
R: A turban.
I: Of what colour?
R: It was of any color, but mostly they were red turbans, there were kind of dressing I don’t know the Germans brought for them, they looked like the bishops, in fact it was a dress that you could not touch it and nobody washed it...
I: [Laughing]
R: Maybe his first wife was the only one allowed to touch it. It was kept in wooden boxes. When taken out, it had a certain nice fragrance. What I’m telling you are things I saw with my own eyes when I was in about class 5 or 6. I saw them and thought, “These people…” My father was Muslim, but after studying in a mission school, he converted to Christianity. I used to wonder where those clothes came from. I myself only wore shorts with no underwear, but the shorts and the bedsheet…
I: Can you tell us, since you saw those clothes, what were they made of?
R: Hmm, I don’t know, maybe from Germany, but mostly it was cotton that we grew ourselves — the same cotton we exported. Sisal and many other things too. We didn’t know their value; we just grew them and others came to take them. Nowadays, if a Jumbe (leader) wore those clothes, people would say, “What’s wrong with this old man? Where is he going?” Nowadays, where can you find such old men? Maybe only Mr. Chei has survived. Many old men have died, including many who wore those clothes and were leaders (Jumbe). Others like us were called ‘Wadoe’ — people who only listened to cases. But the one who wore that cloth sat on the chair like in Chemka. There was Jumbe Joho or Jumbe Mkande at Chemka, they had their levels. At Kazita, there was a Jumbe, but they had a senior Jumbe, like the one here at Derema in Kwekuyu. Jumbe Joho was a famous person, even the whites at Amani knew him. His walk was slow and dignified. Those clothes really had a prestigious reputation in the past, but now they do not.
I: If we brought that cloth to today’s market, how much do you think someone who knows its value would pay for it?
R: Oh, they might say 10,000, 20,000, or even 50,000 shillings. But it is very valuable clothing. Nowadays, people might not even ask for its price because they don’t understand its importance. When you buy something, you usually have a purpose for it, but if you have no use, you might pay only 5,000 shillings and send it to your grandfather, even though it used to be very valuable.
I: Based on what you told us, it would sell for a high price now due to the status that cloth carried.
R: It could be as high as 300,000 or 400,000 shillings. Also, those decorations on the collar were very valuable. Even approaching a Jumbe dressed like that was not easy. It’s no secret that our elders greatly benefited and earned respect. I don’t know if such respect will come back. Today a chairman might be told his whole cabinet is useless, but back then, if you said that…[Everyone laughs]
R: It’s not a secret. Nowadays you sit as a chairman and are told, “This whole cabinet is rotten…”
I: That means you will be beaten.
R: Indeed, you wouldn’t even dare to raise a finger. You’d just look down like this. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be buried. That’s why in some places you find caves with skulls. People would say, “Go and hit him with a club.” Even if you gave birth to twins, one would be killed, or sometimes both were killed.
I: Why?
R: They said twins were bad — that they were “bad seeds” or would behave badly. But nowadays, twins are actually very intelligent. But in the past, if you gave birth to twins or an child of a person with albinism, they would be killed.
source: Amani-Stade Project / Amani Field Research 2023, Interview No. 21
author: I: Mohamed Seif, R: Anonymous
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